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Disc rehydration

PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:21 am
by Gaspode
Has anyone found out if this actually works? Is there any proof that the exercises in the book create a hydrating action and does anyone have the before and after MRI's. I am curious, i have come back from seeing the grim reaper again this morning and been condemned to A LIFE OF PAIN , yep thats the chaps good news. The bad news is he is referring me to a surgeon. Well now thats a thinker i can tell you. On the way back i have been a thinking. I am actually feeling better in myself, i drink much more water i do my exercises my overall pain levels are lower but i have developed a lot of pain standing or putting wieght on my right leg. JUST ANOTHER FLARE UP , says the reaper, ONE YOU SHOULD EXPECT FOR THE REMAINDER OF YOU LIFE. Cheerful chap eh, and so annoying speaking in CAPITALS ! Anyway degenerated disc desease ( I know its not a desease before you jump in) the 3 D's then are due to the disc losing height so if they can be re hydrated as Dean suggests the hey presto no more LBP. So anyone out there got the before and afters?

Oh by the way for those considering surgery I have just read an article about using your own stem cells with cologen to re generate discs going to clinical trials so it may be worth hanging in there!

Look forward to your answers!

Pete :D

Re: Disc rehydration

PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:43 pm
by yannick35
Gaspode wrote:Has anyone found out if this actually works? Is there any proof that the exercises in the book create a hydrating action and does anyone have the before and after MRI's. I am curious, i have come back from seeing the grim reaper again this morning and been condemned to A LIFE OF PAIN , yep thats the chaps good news. The bad news is he is referring me to a surgeon. Well now thats a thinker i can tell you. On the way back i have been a thinking. I am actually feeling better in myself, i drink much more water i do my exercises my overall pain levels are lower but i have developed a lot of pain standing or putting wieght on my right leg. JUST ANOTHER FLARE UP , says the reaper, ONE YOU SHOULD EXPECT FOR THE REMAINDER OF YOU LIFE. Cheerful chap eh, and so annoying speaking in CAPITALS ! Anyway degenerated disc desease ( I know its not a desease before you jump in) the 3 D's then are due to the disc losing height so if they can be re hydrated as Dean suggests the hey presto no more LBP. So anyone out there got the before and afters?

Oh by the way for those considering surgery I have just read an article about using your own stem cells with cologen to re generate discs going to clinical trials so it may be worth hanging in there!

Look forward to your answers!

Pete :D


Its a bit more complicated then this, i have seen a study of a 56 year old man who had 2 DDD, one that was mildly degenerated and the other one pertty bad.

He took glucosamine for 2 years and the results where very good, the mildly degenerated disk got almost full again the other one stayed the same, but did not get worst.

I do beleive that if you decompress your back, using the RYB exercises, an inversion table, that there is a possiblity that rehydration can accure.

The most important thing to remember is that your lower back must be decompressed.

I was getting worst and worst after going to see the stupid chiro, after finding RYB my lower back feels great.

You need to do exacly this rebuild your back, a positive is that you dont have hernia which would make it difficule to do the exercises.

Give RYB a good 6 months, take a full glucosamine complex universal animal flex is an award winning search for it on the internet, also universal omega flex to get a full EFA suppelment and collagen.

I am taking all of this, i have 2 mild discopaty that i plan to rehydrate real fast.

Good luck to you

Re: Disc rehydration

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:35 am
by Gaspode
Thanks for your reply yannick. I have gone down hill even though I am exercising. Do you have flare ups? Mine has been two weeks now, I can't stand without major pain. Bought inversion table but soon after using it this pain started before that I could walk 20 mins. I am seriously thinking of surgery the pain is that bad! I have ordered glucosamine/MSM supplement and also zymessence a systemic enzyme which i hope will help with the inflammation. I cant do the hip exercises so was concerned about rehydration hence my question. I did read about this stem cell treatment for discs have you seen anything on this your end? I am in UK by the way.

Pete

Re: Disc rehydration

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:05 pm
by yannick35
Gaspode wrote:Thanks for your reply yannick. I have gone down hill even though I am exercising. Do you have flare ups? Mine has been two weeks now, I can't stand without major pain. Bought inversion table but soon after using it this pain started before that I could walk 20 mins. I am seriously thinking of surgery the pain is that bad! I have ordered glucosamine/MSM supplement and also zymessence a systemic enzyme which i hope will help with the inflammation. I cant do the hip exercises so was concerned about rehydration hence my question. I did read about this stem cell treatment for discs have you seen anything on this your end? I am in UK by the way.

Pete


I have read about the stem cells i am in Canada, i do not have degeneration so this is not an option for me.

Can you tell me what type of surgery you are looking at? disk replacement or fusion? France is light years ahead on back pain and the doctors there performed many successful disk replacements.

One of my co-worker was operated for 2 hernia, the where not to close to the nerve root so the operation was successful, he is back 100% he was quit young to 35 years old.

It is always good to reasearch on the treatment that you want to try, i am doing prolotherapy right now for lax ligaments its expensive but seems to be working fine.

Either you choose surgery or not remember that after this you will need to rebuild your back.

If you only perform the streches do you still feel a lot of pain?

How bad is your degeneration ?

This is the link to the study i was talking about hope this gives you courage.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... tid=165439

Here are the supplement that i am taking now

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/flex.html

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/univ/animalomega.html

Both of theses are top notch and bodybuilders products so a lot more powerful then the stuff available for the general public, a must to rebuild the disk, tendons and ligaments.

Also http://www.genacol.ca/Default.aspx

This is pure collagen 4 matrix it rebuilds the disk it will take around 6 months to really show progress but worth wild, i have read many studies on the product and talked to many people that swear by this.

Hope all of this will help you out, if i can be of further assistance it will be my pleasure to help you out in your quest to be painfree.

Good luck

Re: Disc rehydration

PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:28 am
by Gaspode
At the moment i have not been referred to a surgeon so waiting on that before i know what he will suggest. My gut feeling is fusion as its much cheaper option and thats our NHS for you. I have looked at a german clinic and the cost to replace 1 disc is 25,000 euro's way outside my budget i am afraid. I will check out France.
I have two herniated discs L4/L5 i think because no one tells me. I am going to get a private consultation and obtain a private MRI then it will be MY information and not the NHS property. You would think they are interested in making you pain free but thats not the feeling i am getting!
The strange this is my decline has been rapid. Only 3 weeks agao i could walk a mile but had pains down my right leg. Now i dont have pains down my leg but cant put any weight on it. I am not convinced its anything to do with my DDD but the consultant just doesnt listen and todate has not even carried out a physical simply gone from the MRI.
I will most certainly order the genacol product as i would rather rebuild my disc than have surgery. I have been given a doctors note for a week off work to "rest" but like us all i will be searching searching searching, laughing.
Do you think genacol would be better than MSM? I am on another site "losethebackpain" and there is a guy there Dave Hutchieson ex para that had vitually crushed is two lower discs to almost nothing. He had time on the "robot" with Al Melius and now uses the Pettibon system with wobble chair. He sent me his xrays and the difference is amazing! He takes MSM

Cheers

Pete

Re: Disc rehydration

PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:51 am
by yannick35
Gaspode wrote:At the moment i have not been referred to a surgeon so waiting on that before i know what he will suggest. My gut feeling is fusion as its much cheaper option and thats our NHS for you. I have looked at a german clinic and the cost to replace 1 disc is 25,000 euro's way outside my budget i am afraid. I will check out France.
I have two herniated discs L4/L5 i think because no one tells me. I am going to get a private consultation and obtain a private MRI then it will be MY information and not the NHS property. You would think they are interested in making you pain free but thats not the feeling i am getting!
The strange this is my decline has been rapid. Only 3 weeks agao i could walk a mile but had pains down my right leg. Now i dont have pains down my leg but cant put any weight on it. I am not convinced its anything to do with my DDD but the consultant just doesnt listen and todate has not even carried out a physical simply gone from the MRI.
I will most certainly order the genacol product as i would rather rebuild my disc than have surgery. I have been given a doctors note for a week off work to "rest" but like us all i will be searching searching searching, laughing.
Do you think genacol would be better than MSM? I am on another site "losethebackpain" and there is a guy there Dave Hutchieson ex para that had vitually crushed is two lower discs to almost nothing. He had time on the "robot" with Al Melius and now uses the Pettibon system with wobble chair. He sent me his xrays and the difference is amazing! He takes MSM

Cheers

Pete


Order the glucosamine complex that i take i gave you the link its has everything in it MSM, glucosamine, and a lot more.

The studies i have seen on genacol rebuilds that disk because its collagen, ligaments, tendons and soft surface are made of 1% of glucosamine but 67% of collagen.

I ordered the losethebackpain.com system and it was crap. RYB is the best i have seen yet.

My work buddy decline rapidly has well with is 2 hernia he got the operation and is now fine,

Your best bet is to get an MRI i got one done by my ex chiroprator (the worst mofos on the planet.) i got mild discopathy L4L5 and L5S1 that is not the cause of my pain i got ligament laxity.

If your medical doctor is an asssshole dont stick around, the first i met at the sport clinic was a total jerk he saw arthrosis everywhere because i was 36 years old even if 2 xrays and an MRI showed nothing.

I hate jerks like that i could punch them in the face.

Its quit sad but you have to control your back pain and find your resources almost alone, like i did with prolotherapy.

I saw many so called back exerpts that i just flushed because they made me feel they knew nothing about back pain.

Re: Disc rehydration

PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:52 am
by Gaspode
Interesting what you say about the LTBP system as I also ordered it. I found the assessment very interesting well guess i would as no one but no one has assessed me yet. So i was taken away with it. Stopped doing the RYB exercises and started their regime. Now my going down hill does seem to coincide with changing the programme! One think i hate about the LTBP programme is the amount of crap they keep advertising and pushing at you. Today i have decided on a short term plan of action which means i am going to do some light exercises from RYB and see what happens in a week, i will find a second oppinion, i will arrange another MRI scan and then see where we go. Great talking to you Yannick, I guess no one can answer my original question a few people have looked but no other comments than yours. Keep up the good work and i hope that you keep improving!

Pete

Re: Disc rehydration

PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:47 pm
by yannick35
Gaspode wrote:Interesting what you say about the LTBP system as I also ordered it. I found the assessment very interesting well guess i would as no one but no one has assessed me yet. So i was taken away with it. Stopped doing the RYB exercises and started their regime. Now my going down hill does seem to coincide with changing the programme! One think i hate about the LTBP programme is the amount of crap they keep advertising and pushing at you. Today i have decided on a short term plan of action which means i am going to do some light exercises from RYB and see what happens in a week, i will find a second oppinion, i will arrange another MRI scan and then see where we go. Great talking to you Yannick, I guess no one can answer my original question a few people have looked but no other comments than yours. Keep up the good work and i hope that you keep improving!

Pete


Thanks Pete take care of yourself, i really try to do my part to help out the most that i can, there is a lot of crap going on in this world and since we the ones with pain are weak and prepared to do anything to get better we sort of get screwed up a lot.

Has i told you i reserach my pain, when i was going to the chiro i developped a snapping hip joint issue coming from the back, chiro said he could fix that even if he didnt know what the hell he was doing or what a snapping hip joint was, like an idiot i still continued getting is adjustment for another 6 months.

At the sport clinic they showed me some exercises to strenghten the pelvic region but again some huge part was missing.

I got my second prolotherapy treatment hurts like a byatch by if thats what it takes to fix my ligament laxity then its back to enjoying life again.

There are tones of thing we can do to get better depending on what type of pain we have, and injury in the spin.

http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/for ... 18c3&f=251

You might get better answers on this website, they are great and really care about people there, marc N is an expert at this.

Register its free. They cover all sort of spin issues inculding hernia and DDD

PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:03 pm
by Bikegirl
Hi Gaspode,

I can't help you with the disc question BUT I wanted to reply about a healthy diet and water level intake. I don't know how you eat, but that is a major factor in any injury that most specialist disregard.

I have worked with a biochemist and my blood sample to optimise my diet in order to create the best condition for my body to heal.

I now eat like an athlete does, which is the best way for your body. Your calory intake is not that important, its the quality of them that matters. No empty calories! Therefore a good diet should consist of : 3 healthy meals a day at regular hours, 2 or 3 healthy snacks a day, 3 liters a day of water and a supplement of amino acid.

I eat organic, I snack on raw veggies, eat protein at every meal. I prepare my own food with fresh quality ingredients.

I stay away from: red meat, enriched flour, all kinds of sugar, caffeine, processed food and unhealthy fats.

It took me a couple of years to learn about nutrition and then I had to adjust my cooking to my new found ingredients. Its an ongoing process and I am now known to be a great cook and food reference.

Anyways,I just wanted to share on this, hope it can be useful.

Good luck,
Bikegirl

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:11 pm
by thealia
Bikegirl,

Thank you for sharing this I started this type of diet a month ago today I felt like quiting It is helping but I never heard anything on hear about it. I really started because my Mom needed to for her health. We are eating this way and I believe it is best My Mom's arthritis is getting better everyday. Thanks for sharing.

Thealia

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:01 am
by Bikegirl
thealia wrote:Bikegirl,

Thank you for sharing this I started this type of diet a month ago today I felt like quiting It is helping but I never heard anything on hear about it. I really started because my Mom needed to for her health. We are eating this way and I believe it is best My Mom's arthritis is getting better everyday. Thanks for sharing.

Thealia


Great!

I believe it should be the first thing to do for everyone, injured or not. We put the best oils and gaz in our car but we eat crap! We buy our bodies the best quality and expensive clothing but we do not care for the inside. It is ridiculous. We are what we eat. If you eat nothing else but bad food, your body will make you feel it.

I am glad my post reached you, keep it up and DO NOT QUIT your diet.

Good luck

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:45 pm
by thealia
Great!

I believe it should be the first thing to do for everyone, injured or not. We put the best oils and gaz in our car but we eat crap! We buy our bodies the best quality and expensive clothing but we do not care for the inside. It is ridiculous. We are what we eat. If you eat nothing else but bad food, your body will make you feel it.

I am glad my post reached you, keep it up and DO NOT QUIT your diet.

Good luck[/quote]


Thanks for the encouragement if I start feeling week and wanting to give in to others saying just eat it. It won't hurt you. I will shoot you an email.

Thanks Again