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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:59 am
by Caitie
hi i am a fourtenn year old female living in australia. i have a bugling disc in my lower spine- l4. l5. I recieved this from a car accident, in which a bus was involved. We have seen a specialist but he has not reccomended surgery as i am so young. i currently take 8 piankillers a day but it does nto make a difference. I get terrible pain shooting through my whole back and currently have weird feelings in my legs. should i get another oppinion, or what do you suggest? Does anyone have any children or friends in the same position as me? Any replys would be greatly appreciated,
chears. caitie
:arrow:Queensland Australia

Re: Hi

PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:34 pm
by Jeanette
Caitie wrote: We have seen a specialist but he has not reccomended surgery as i am so young. i currently take 8 piankillers a day but it does nto make a difference. I get terrible pain shooting through my whole back and currently have weird feelings in my legs. should i get another oppinion?


Hi Caitie -- I'm encouraged that your physician doesn't seem to think that surgery is the answer for you at this stage, but eight painkillers a day also seems to be a lot, especially if they're not giving you some relief. Do the painkillers include antii-inflammatory medication, something to reduce swelling and muscle soreness? If not, you might ask your doctor about the value of using an anti-inflammatory for a time.

If the accident was quite recent, you'll have to be patient as you work through the muscle pain, bruising, and swelling that usually accompany the kind of trauma you say you experienced. Dean has some excellent suggestions involving rest and ice that you might try to help reduce the immediate pain. With your parents' consent, of course, you could download his The Pain Relief Manual in the chapter on "Natural Pain Relief".

Because you're young and probably still growing and because this is the result of an accident, you might want to share the information with your doctor or physiotherapist who can help you decide which exercises are appropriate for you. (If your doctor doesn't seem willing to listen to you or explain fully what's going on, then you may feel more comfortable asking for another opinion. Talk to your parents about it.)

And, remember, the kind of injury you describe doesn't go away in just a few days or even a couple weeks, so don't be too impatient with yourself. About 20 years ago, I flipped over my horse's shoulder to slammed into the hard ground. I experienced significant blunt trauma to my tailbone, sacrum and lower lumbar area. (I can't be sure the bulging disk at L4-5 are from that, but I'm willing to bet the fall contributed to it. So, I have some idea what you're experiencing and I sympathize.) Believe me, rest, careful exercise, and ice packs were a regular part of my life for several months following the fall!

Take care of yourself now. And after you've healed, then strenghening your back and keeping it strong can only help.

Good luck.

Re: Hi

PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:04 pm
by M in California
I can empathize with your pain. I think that you are in definite need of anti-inflamatories and ice. You have to get the swelling down, which will hopefully help relax your muscles and relieve your pain.

Give it some time. Then, you will be able to rebuild your back.

I posted a topic about Pilates and the Psaos muscle in this forum. Maybe some of it will help you. I, too, had a herniated L4 disk.

Good luck!!

PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 11:03 pm
by caitie
Hey thanks so much for the replies. My usual docter was not there the other day so we saw another. He reccomended swimming for my back, so i am going to a remidial pool and doing a few laps every few days just to slowly try and relieve some of the pain. He also told me to go on panadol. I was using nurofen but had basically became immune to it. The panadol didnt work but i couldnt go on anything much stronger because of my age, the side affects were to great for me to handle. Today i got some panadene so i guess i'll just have to try that.

I was reading somwhere that pilates is good for lower back. what do you reccomend? Thanks a lot guys. Caitie.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 11:11 pm
by Jeanette
Caitie -- I'm glad that you're being so proactive with your recovery.

But, and this is a heavy BUT, give yourself time to recover. Keep any exercise low key until you have the pain under control. If the exercise helps reduce the pain, great! But don't depend on the medications to get you through the exercises. You need to let abused muscles and nerves recover before you ask too much of them. Then, and only then, can you safely start rebuilding.

Again, if you haven't already, look at Dean's Pain Relief Manual for suggestions on how to proceed.

Keep up the good work.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:04 am
by caitie
Hi. Yes i'll look at the pilates thing. I was told by my pediatric specialist i cant play golf for 2 months. I used to train very hard for golf around 5 times a week and never had trouble with my back. But since the car accident i have alot of pain and i cant hit as well. We are currently going through the stages of compinsation. As im unsure if i will ever be able to hit a ball again, the insurance company want to see if anything gets better during the next few months.

Also i was just wondering about my legs. I have a weird tingling sensation in them and they are really sore. Would that have anything to do with my back? With the bulging disc, is it normal to get pain all over the bottom of the back? Caitie

Re: Hi

PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:46 pm
by M in California
Oh boy is there pain all over your back!!!
Your muscles are probably cramping and trying to compensate for your injury.

You really need to rest those muscles and do very MILD exercise.
Walking is wonderful! It really helps to loosen the muscles up. Swimming is excellent too. You really need to take it SLOW though.
Is the medication you are on an anti-inflamatory?? I'm not familiar with it.
Can you see swelling in your back in the muscles that run up along your spine? My right side had swelling for a long time. I hate ice... but, I finally started icing it and it helps immensely.
Ice and then heat is a good therapy.

Pilates is wonderful. Be sure to try and find an excellent teacher who knows how to work with you so that you don't reinjure your back or send it into spasms.

You will recover with time... just go slow and be patient :D

PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:43 am
by Guest
Well this accident was liek 6 months ago so im over the ice stage but hav to constantly use heat. Panadeine forte..um not too sure about what it does all i know is it contains 500 mg of paracetomol and codeine phosphate 30 mg. Mums agreed to let me start doing pilates. I was also wondering about the decompression machine or something? iv heard its ok..caitie.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:38 pm
by Jeanette
Anonymous wrote:Well this accident was liek 6 months ago so im over the ice stage but hav to constantly use heat. Panadeine forte..um not too sure about what it does all i know is it contains 500 mg of paracetomol and codeine phosphate 30 mg. Mums agreed to let me start doing pilates. I was also wondering about the decompression machine or something? iv heard its ok..caitie.


Hi Caitie -- A quick stop on Google or Dogpile identified parcetomol as acetaminophen (http://www.pharmweb.net/pwmirror/pwy/pa ... ebpic.html). Here in the States the compound you're taking would probably be Tylenol with codeine or some other variety of that. Although touted as one of the safer pain relievers for children and teens, acetaminophen (which is NOT an anti-inflammatory, by the way) does have some side effects that should be watched for carefully with long-term use -- and six months of daily use in the quantities you've described -- especially with the codeine compound -- would raise some warning flags for me. You and your mum might want to check with your chemist or pharmacist -- whatever you call them in Australia -- for more information and, perhaps, his recommendations.

If you're still taking the large doses of the medication you mentioned earlier (paracetamol with codeine), ABSOLUTELY talk with a doctor before making any changes. If you feel the need for a second opinion -- and I think I'd be looking for one after all this time -- try finding a physiatrist, maybe someone who specializes in sports medicine since you say you're an avid golfer.

From my own experience, M's comments about pilates is right on, especially the part about finding a teacher who can show you how to use your body correctly in order not to do more injury to yourself. Here again, a good sports medicine physician might be a source of information. (You havent' said where in Austrailia you live, but if you have a medical college in your area, that might be a place to start looking for a second opinion.)

I can't speak personally to the decompression machine, but there are several other posts here on this site that do. You might want to take a look at them. From what I understand, though, they're no quick fix and they're expensive. :(

BTW, have you downloaded Dean's books The Pain Relief Manual and Rebuild Your Back? Compared to drugs and machines, they're extremely economical. They're user-friendly; you get no side effects from reading them, and carefully working through the exercises he recommends to rebuild your back may really help, not only now but in the years to come.

Good luck.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:16 am
by caitie
How muchis it to download the book? Thanks for the great advice. you guys are so awesome here. i was begining to give up hope..

PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:21 am
by Jeanette
caitie wrote:How muchis it to download the book? Thanks for the great advice. you guys are so awesome here. i was begining to give up hope..


The price of the book is really a donation -- you decide. But, in fact, Paypal -- which is the medium through which you have to make your donation -- has a minimum of $5 US. I don't think you can buy a paperback novel for that anymore. But it's worth that ... and more.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:57 am
by caitie
yeha i think i might download it.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:30 pm
by Guest
its been 10 weeks since iv been told to have rest..
no improvment.. arr

PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:57 pm
by Jeanette
Anonymous wrote:its been 10 weeks since iv been told to have rest..
no improvment.. arr


That's really rough, Caitie, but it's hard to know what to suggest if we don't know what you've been doing for yourself up to this point. Maybe you could give us a bit more information.

What have you been doing to "rest"? Have you tried some of the back-easing exercises Dean recommends in The Pain Relief Manual or Rebuild Your Back? Are you walking? Working on maintaining good posture? If you're in school, are you still carrying around a backpack filled with books? Have you seen a physical medicine doctor or a physiotherapist who specializes in back-injury patients for another opinion beyond the physician you saw several weeks ago? Or if you've seen him again, what's he saying?

I don't know whether my L4-5, S1 problem occurred with injury or over time since -- the MRI is recent, the suspect injury almost 20 years ago when MRIs weren't around -- but I can tell you that it was months after I was tossed from my horse before I could sit without a pillow or an ice pack against my back or move without pain. So it's not something that you recover from in a hurry -- even as young as you are.

You might try Dean's suggestion about keeping a diary or journal to record even small progress. Good luck.

Get a second opinion

PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:52 am
by Red
Dear Caitie

If your are still in pain and popping so much pain killers, I would suggest to get a second opinion cos your current doc is not doing his job. You are still very young and there is no quality in life with pain. Good Luck